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Twins!

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So before I started this piece, I went and searched on the net for information about how and what ways conjoined twins can be conjoined - but the whole time I never checked whether it could be a boy and girl.

When I was basically finished with this I decided I should check, and? (There is no such thing as a conjoined boy and girl)

=D
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MekaShadowlight Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Wicked bro!

Reminds me of my Conjoined Twins (Shown in my avatar), i like how you have embraced the medieval feel and they seem satisfied they have conquered! Def gonna fav this :)
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SamYangArt Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks MekaShadowlight !!
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MekaShadowlight Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome :)
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ILikeCommas Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
XD
Looks awesome though!
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WorldExplorer296 Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Interesting concept, definitely. Really nice
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SamYangArt Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks!
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WorldExplorer296 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You're welcome!
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danielxcutter Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
This REALLY needs a story.
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nicko08 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2012
I'm in love with this picture
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SpaceWhaleScrubber Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Great pic, but, how exactly do they... you know...
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danielxcutter Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013
You're quote is funny. No offense meant.
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MaxumBrain Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012  Student Digital Artist
maybe... umm...
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danielxcutter Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
Do WHAT?
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MaxumBrain Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Three words. WASHROOM.
I'm Canadian.
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narutogirly101 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2011
This is such a good work of art
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Yaiden Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2011   Digital Artist
interesting concept.
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SrMcBadAss Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
Nicely done. :)
Though, I will agree that the chest plate seems to be pretty impractical and unpleasant to carry around. All the more reason to be triumphant though, right?
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demyx-the-cabin-boy Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2009
so adorable!!!
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SamYangArt Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks =)
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demyx-the-cabin-boy Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2009
no prob
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inathompson Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2009
i totally love this peice!!! it is one f my favorites among your art works!the feel the color the characters in themselves all work very nicely together in theis peice.
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SamYangArt Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks!
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Paups Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2009  Student Traditional Artist
S-w-e-e-t
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SamYangArt Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks =D
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Paups Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2009  Student Traditional Artist
welks
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Nick-is-Safferion Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2009  Student Digital Artist
That's very nice, I love the way it turned out. It kinda has a storybook feel to it.
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BlackInk-- Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2009  Professional Filmographer
such a gorgeous scene,
you've managed to capture that joy through all the elements in the picture

thats some serious talent you got there :)
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Furka Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
Twins can be from a different gender, this however is very rare, and even more rare for conjoined twins.

(It has to do with twins that have XXY chromozomes)

Technically I think your drawing is possible, but the chances of that happening are incredibly slim.

Great work anyway!
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KendrixTermina Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2010
It is actually possible for identical twins to have different Genders - but the girl would be infertile.
But given the rare occurence of both phenomenons, only one or two, if any individuals like this might have been born in all the 250000 years that humanity has existed. IT's like searching for a redhead with heterochromia.
But therethically, that picture is possible. I loved how it really conveys the emotion of victory with their poses, expression and the lighting without it appearing overdone in any way.

The amour looks really cool, too. Still, while I understand that you left their bellies exposed for artistic reasons, but that chestplate would probably be really annoying and heavy, expecially if you have trouble moving around anyway.
Still, a great picture. Mehluvs that little things around their arms.
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NachoTheTrekkie Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2009
Actually, that would have to do with the fusion theory around conjoined twins. However, conjoined twins are originated from identical twins, so no cookie.

By the way, XXY makes male. No matter the number of X chromosomes, the presence of a single Y makes male.
Then again, more or less chromosomes always carries abnormalities. XYY makes a hormonally imbalanced, abnormally aggressive male, while XXY makes for a male with abnormally small testicles. Either tends to be sterile, though.
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SrMcBadAss Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
No. Androgen insensitivity syndrome individuals are biologically female but have Y chromosomes. For a fetus to become a boy, their body produces mullerian inhibiting hormone, which prevents formation of the uterus, fallopian tubes and cervix and in normal individuals results in a male child.
In AIS individuals, the body doesn't respond to male sex hormones and the body differentiates into female genitals, rather than male. So this means that despite lacking any reproductive capability and having a Y chromosome, the baby will to all outward appearances be a female. Then, during puberty, the girl's body converts testosterone produced by her testes into estrogen and she continues developing female sexual characteristics.
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NachoTheTrekkie Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
Oh...

Thanks.
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SrMcBadAss Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
I'm sorry if that sounded douchey...

On a second read, it kind of did, at least to me...
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NachoTheTrekkie Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
No, I mean thanks for talking about that possibility. I wasn't thinking about AIS when I wrote that last year.
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SrMcBadAss Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
OHHHHH!

Well then...you're welcome...?
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Furka Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2009
What I saw on TV (which I know is not always right) was that if an embryo starts out as XXY and splits to become twins there is a possibility that one twin will be XX and the other XY. This, according to the program has already happened. So my conclusion is that this would be possible for conjoine dtwins too, never happened before though, so it's just a theory.
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NachoTheTrekkie Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2009
That incomplete gene split could be possible in prokaryotic bacteria (bacteria with no defined nucleus) or, to a certain extended on fungi, but it would cause non-viable abnormalities on Animalia or Plantae.

On a separate note, I also saw that news report. Monday March 26, 2007: 'Study describes new type of "semi-identical" twins'. It described a set of twins that had resulted from an egg that had been fertilized by two separate spermatozoon. Normally this would have either conducted to a non-viable zygote (if a single triploid chromosome conducts to the whole Down syndrome, imagine a whole set), but apparently the egg had split its nucleus into two and each of them mixed with a different sperm.
Now this would have conducted to a single fetus, mostly normal but with his or her tissues being composed by cells of two different genetic sequences: a chimera, by definition. The thing here is that the chimera zygote then split into twins, like it would have done in a normal case of identical twins. Each of the twins carries XX and XY cells, with the boy being about 50-50 between the cell origins and the hermaphrodite being about 90% female at a cellular level.
Chimeras aren't that extraordinarily rare; twins occur in one of every 98 deliveries; but not ever had the two things happened together in recorded medical history. In fact, these two wouldn't have been identified but by the fact that these where extensively experimented upon. One of the articles even said that this may very well be the first and only time this happenstance may be identified (unless multi-sample, extensive genetic profiling ever became widespread).
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raffsapphire Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2013
Actually it is possible for conjoined twins to be a male and female. A male and female twins that weren't identical can join before giving birth and then become conjoined. Here is a link of such proof:

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NachoTheTrekkie Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2013
What kind of proof is that? Did you even check the link before posting it?

Besides, the phenomenon of conjoinment is not about fusion, but about fission: a single embryo that fails to properly divide into normal monosygotic twins.
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raffsapphire Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2013
Ah sorry that was two females. Anyway what I am saying is possible, because they made a documentary of the case of two un-identical twins being born that were conjoined before birth.
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SrMcBadAss Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
Also, one member of a set of identical twins may develop Turner's syndrome. Basically, the child starts out as an XY male, but loses their Y chromosome at some point. So while her brother is born a healthy, normal boy, the child with Turner's syndrome is now genetically XO and is biologically a female.
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SamYangArt Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Oh! Maybe my sources are wrong then =P
I'll go read up no it again when I find the time hee hee.

Thanks!
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koyuki-kun Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Student Traditional Artist
COOL! I'M A TWIN!
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Kiarona91 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
Cuteee! I love it! :heart:
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NachoTheTrekkie Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
Very interesting!
I just have to critique this!
Deal with me: if I didn't like this, I wouldn't bother to critique.

THE BODIES:
I'm not going to get too anal about body proportions, particularly as needle-pointed feet and general thinness can be considered elements of personal style. I would seriously encourage you to work on those feet, though.
Well thought making them about twelve years old. If they share a bloodstream (and being joined at the liver almost guarantees that), puberty will play a mess on them: facial and body hair, deep voice, breasts and hips, for each of them. :o
Critique:
-You forgot the bellybutton, or bellybuttons in case you wanted to put more than one.
-Their medial legs (the girl's right leg and the boy's left) are shorter than their laterals. The girl's medial foot even seems to be sunk into the ground.
-You would have needed a slightly darker shading on the middle of their belly, to signify were they bend, or some light (or even shine) to show how they are stretching their skin.
-The boy's left arm is shooting straight through the girl's right lung. You can't deny it: he's holding it straight out, without his shoulder going back far enough for his arm to shoot below her armpit.

THE CLOTHING:
-What's up with that HUGE metallic... thing... that's hovering over their chest-plates? I would believe you if it was hovering (or better still, snug) on their bellies, but where it was that thing is just a hindrance. How is it supported, anyway?
-I repeat: their bellies are uncovered. There are many ways to do Armour, many foci, too (mobility, speed, agility, protection under heavy stress, being imposing, ensnaring incoming weapons, self-parry, additional weapon, etc), but once you start to do plate, the main focus always shifts toward keeping the chest and the belly safe.
-Three swords and no scabbards?
-Such thin kids should collapse under the weight of their armour, let alone two long swords, a bastard sword and a full shield. As the two main foci of a full plate armour are letting the user not bother with defense and letting him concentrate on a single, devastating melee weapon, I'd abbreviate the armour down to armored gaiters, a long sword, a bladed shield and your choice between two short bows or a long one. And then, we have to consider that with them being around twelve, there wouldn't really be equipment on their size.
-What's that metallic thing that hangs sideways from the boy's hip? If it was cloth or leather I would understand it to be a pouch or something, but it is metallic and doesn't have a top, size or front opening.
-Either they are missing fully armoured gauntlets, or their swords are in dire need for handguards.

THE SCENE:
-Measure about another pommel-length above the girl's sword tip, then trim off the rest of the picture above it. If you actually had a backdrop (say, the castle they are heirs to) I'd say okay, but it's nothing but a leaf and a lot of haze.
-They are at the end of a path, surrounded on two sides by grass (far too prevalent to say that there are paving stones underneath) and some naked rocks far too steep to walk on. Why are they there?
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danielxcutter Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013
About the bastard sword, the guy's leaning on it, so it shouldn't count.
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SamYangArt Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks =)

My goal with this was just to get a certain feeling, so I didn't really care much for the realistic details, reasoning and such.

But I think you're absolutely right if the artwork was meant for a different purpose? (like a children's book illustration)
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NachoTheTrekkie Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2009
I did read somewhere in your artworks that you are making a portfolio...
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SamYangArt Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Correct =)
Well I needed 3 paintings that simply show my style.
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NachoTheTrekkie Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2009
I'm so uptight that I already have a job offer as a quality auditor at a hotel. I can truly tell you that, if you value your portfolio, you better try to refine your overall quality: this one, the Veteran and the Steam Pirate are very good technique-wise, but the compositions are a mess. This one I already critiqued; the Veteran is wearing heavily armored plates on his arms but is otherwise unarmed and unarmored; the Steam Pirate's right hand his nearly hidden by a scuff and is carrying a rolled-up map that, at first glance, looks like a badly-drawn hand. Not to say that, while the light level drops on the background until it is just black, the light on the figure remain uniform.

Why don't you try to apply your current technique to your previous good level of detail? "Scarlet Ashworth", "Feed me" and "At the Bar" are masterful in comparison, even if I could still find a few details here and there. "Minty Marrows" may not go to Cannes, but I wouldn't dismiss it from a short film anthology. Things like that.
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